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Democrat
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Republican
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Libertarian (ultimate conservative)
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Independent
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Jacob E. Doyle wrote:well the whole world can go down in flames and you won't care. and when your in the middle of it I bet you'll be regretting this comment. ;)
Are you talking to me? Are you referring to me voting for Jesus? I would never regret that. As for being politically apathetic- where in the Bible does it talk about Jesus choosing the lesser of two evils? I am politically apathetic and proud of it. :p
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Jacob E. Doyle wrote:
So creating laws that enable people to make decisions that end the lives of other people is a morally neutral action?
Not neccessarily I think that you truly don't understand the situtuation that a women is in when she considers the abortion until your actually in it. So I don't think we should pass judgement so quickly even though I do think it is wrong.
There's a world of differencw between sympathizing with someone's difficult situation and aiding them in committing an evil act.

So, in terms of political parties (and to bring the discussion back on topic) it goes against my moral conscience to support a party that openly favors public funding of a procedure that results in the unjust killing of countless human lives.

Supporting a candidate or a political party that openly favors the public funding of abortions goes far beyond a question of other's choices - it goes straight to a question of material cooperation with evil. No amount of empathy will ever change that fact.
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I know all the election talk is getting tedious, but I found this to be quite witty and amusing. It's from the Wall Street Journal, and I think it's very well written.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122360618747721991.html
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One reason I'm not a Democrat:
One of the major points of Jim Powell’s book, “FDR’s Folly: How Roosevelt and His New Deal Prolonged the Great Depression” is the inability of the Roosevelt administration to bring recovery to the stagnant 1930’s economy through legislative reform. According to Powell, much of what perpetuated the Depression was the desire of the socialists, marxists, and democrats (forgive me for my redundancy) of the FDR administration to completely reform American capitalism so that it was some kind of version of European socialism.

One of the big mistakes of the Hoover / Roosevelt administrations during this time was the attempt to redistribute wealth through increased taxation. The problems with this approach is that in the Great Depression the wealth had largely evaporated and there wasn’t wealth to redistribute. What the Great Depression needed was policy that would encourage the creation of wealth. The effect of increased taxation was to take money out of people’s pockets in the attempt to “reform” the American economy. This made it extra difficult for the American economy to recover.

The reason this historical awareness is important is that this increase in taxation at a time when the American economy is in the tank is what is being proposed the Democratic party. Obama is on record as supporting wealth redistribution as was seen in his saying that it his desire to “spread the wealth around.” This is classic Marxist speak, “from ‘Joe The Plumber’ according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

Readers need to realize that the worst thing that can possibly be done in a declining economy is to increase taxation, which is what Obama is promising when he says that he is going to cut the taxes of 95% of the people.

Before one understands Barack Obama’s tax plan, one must understand the difference between a tax cut and a subsidy. A tax cut is when someone makes money and the government allows that person to keep more of the money that was earned by that individual. A subsidy is when the government takes from one person to give to someone else. Many people in the mainstream media use the terms interchangeably, even though there are major differences between the two.

Presently, the bottom 40% of income earners pay zero income taxes. The top 20% pay 80% of all the federal income taxes. Therefore, it is not possible to give the bottom 40% a tax cut because they pay no money to the government. So this begs the question: How is Barack Obama proposing to give a tax cut to 95% of Americans?

The truth is that he is not going to give a tax cut to most Americans; it is not possible. Instead, he is going to give welfare subsidy to the bottom 40%. This subsidy Obama is calling a ‘tax cut,’ but in reality it is a tax increase in an attempt to redistribute wealth.

However, the problem is that the Republican candidate is likewise offering socialistic solutions in the time of a desperate economy. McCain’s proposal that the Federal Government buy up bad mortgages is disastrous. Home ownership is no more an American right then is health care and the government guaranteeing bad decisions on purchased homes penalizes those who didn’t make bad decisions on home purchases. In point of fact, McCain’s proposal on buying bad mortgages with a view to negotiating mortgages downwards is an incentive for all of those who are paying mortgages to suddenly discover they can’t afford their mortgages. McCain’s proposal is socialist insanity.

What our economy needs is for the State to get out of the way but what each of the major candidates offer are ideas that are sure to slow down the hope of economic recovery
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My parents are split ways. My dads a Democrat and a libertarian. My moms a Republican and a libertarian I think. I don't know what way to go.
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You can't be a democrat and a libertarian at the same time...

Both of them are polar opposites!

By the way about abortion. Instead of outlawing it Obama is focusing on making abortions unnecessary. That means he will focus on cutting the number of teenage pregnancies and solving solutions for diseases babies can give to mothers. He does this instead of cutting off options for mothers.
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I am a newly registered Republican, though I will not always vote for the Republican candidate. But this year, it looks like I am going vote that way.
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Battle Cry wrote:
Jacob E. Doyle wrote:Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ? :-k Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's. :D
The republicans have been in charge of the house, presidency, and most of the Supreme Court for years now and where are all the laws against abortion? hmm? It’s how they get so many Christians to vote for them, if they passed the laws against abortion they would lose their voters.

If ya haven't guessed already my parents are voting Democrat.
Hard to change laws when half of the country is against it...I'm assuming. And we can all be glad that partial birth abortion is illegal. YAY BUSH!

Also, JED, I've heard the "I don't agree with it but won't stop others from doing it" argument a lot from my peers under the argument of "We can't legislate morality". My response to that is....WE DO.

Murder, rape, etc etc etc are all moral issues that we legislate. Along with lying, adultery (technically illegal I believe, might depend on state), stealing, kidnapping...

The issue isn't about forcing someone to do something that we want them to do as much as it is preserving an innocent life. For example, I believe that the "romantic" relationship between two consenting of age adults should not be legislated by government. But when someone's choice hurts someone else...then isn't it the governments job to take care of the innocent person? That's how I see it.

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JED wrote:
By the way about abortion. Instead of outlawing it Obama is focusing on making abortions unnecessary. That means he will focus on cutting the number of teenage pregnancies and solving solutions for diseases babies can give to mothers. He does this instead of cutting off options for mothers.
Hard to see how he's doing that by allowing minors to get abortions without parental consent, supporting government funding for abortions, restricting the CHOICE to medically support babies who survive abortions, is in favor of partial birth abortion, and believes minors should be allowed to travel out of state for abortions...

Sounds like he's giving a lot of options FOR abortions...not encouraging options to NOT get abortions.
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^^Right. No doubt he will pass the "Freedom of Choice Act"... and its just a JOKE that he claims he wants to work to reduce abortions if he supports that type of legislature.
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Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ? Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's.
So you believe people should have a choice in whether they wish to kill there own child?

First of all, I believe it is possible to be a christian and a democrat at the same time but many of their views are blatantly unbiblical(I am willing to give many examples if you wish). I lean towards a libertarian viewpoint but disagree on there opinion of abortion and a few other things.

By the way this is my first post on ToO so I am just getting used to things!
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What examples?
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Well I am sorry, I see that this topic has already come up but I would still like a direct answer.
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science/linquisticsgeek wrote:"Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ? Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's"

So you believe people should have a choice in whether they wish to kill there own child?

First of all, I believe it is possible to be a christian and a democrat at the same time but many of their views are blatantly unbiblical(I am willing to give many examples if you wish). I lean towards a libertarian viewpoint but disagree on there opinion of abortion and a few other things.

By the way this is my first post on ToO so I am just getting used to things!
Welcome! Advice for newbies: don't mind the fellow who goes by the name "The Top Crusader." \:D/

In regards to your post, I do not believe people should have a choice to kill their own child just as much as I do not believe someone should have the choice to kill their own mother.
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Let me start with that it is not solely the democrats who have instituted these
policies that I am so strongly against, republicans have sided too.

No.1- Education: Ok, I might touch a nerve here but I am STRONGLY against public schools. Here is my reasoning. The government is corrupt and insists on indoctrinating impressionable young children to the governments own personal ideas. It takes the parents out of their role of teaching children themselves or choosing teachers to teach them with a Christian viewpoint. Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old he will not depart from it. That is not to say that everyone should be homeschooled(I am) but that we should choose who educates our children.
So there our my points on its ill effects but if those were the only reasons against public education, it would not stand. You may say that we have a choice on whether we send our kids to public school and we do but whether we do or not is not the question. In order to run a school it takes money. Where does the government get that money? From taxes of course! So my main point is that while the government takes money from everyone(at least who qualifies in the tax bracket, that's a different story), not everyone goes to school. We are forced to pay for the indocrination of children in America, the belief in Evolution, and many other views that simply do not hold with a Christian worldview. Not everyone benefits. This is called legal plunder.

I apologize if this seems a bit jumbled. If you have any questions I will be happy to explain myself more clearly and will try to explain a bit more about legal plunder in the future.

EDIT - I'm sorry, I believe that I failed to say that I believe it is possible to go to public school and not be affected and please don't take this as judgment on those who do. Merely that I do not agree at all.

Please avoid double posting in the future. Welcome to the board! ~S
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The Top Crusader wrote:^^Right. No doubt he will pass the "Freedom of Choice Act"... and its just a JOKE that he claims he wants to work to reduce abortions if he supports that type of legislature.
He did say (was it a debate) that "The Freedom of Choice Act" would be the first thing he signed as president :sick: :pray:
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I am non-partisan. I vote by looking at the issues and where the candidates stand on them, instead of by party, ie: Chuck Baldwin.
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to comment on some old posts.....
it is possible to be a Christian and a democrat. Now I believe that the Holy Spirit will convict those who are for abortion and gay marriages just like He would if someone lied or stole.

and JED - Clinton's terms were horrible. He gave secrets away (I believe it was about the Nuclear weapons :-k I'll have to ask my brother though) and you said so yourself that you don't remember his terms so can you please stop comparing them to Bush's?
also, you said that you believe that abortion/gay marriage is wrong but that you shouldn't surppress people's rights to do so. Does that mean God was surpressing their rights when He stated that no one should do it. Did you know that the Bible says that if a man were to lie with another man he should be stoned to death. Message simple - don't do it.
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PJ wrote:I am non-partisan. I vote by looking at the issues and where the candidates stand on them, instead of by party, ie: Chuck Baldwin.
Boo-yah! \:D/ I was one of the 7,000-ish people that voted for Chuck Baldwin in Virginia! \:D/ In other news, it's very, very difficult to find any information about how many total votes he got! \:D/
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