Party

JED · Post by **JED** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:58 pm

What party are you! Just taking a census so I can know what the political alignments of thetoo are.

I'm liberal/democrat.

KODY 105 · Post by **KODY 105** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:13 pm

I am a conservative Republican. Did you know that the word republic comes from a French word republique? That word came from two Latin words res and publica. The closest translation of res is thing, and publica of course means public. So a republic is a public thing.

Although to be precise, the United States government is a constitutional democratic republic.

JED · Post by **JED** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:14 pm

I know all that. How does that make being in the Republic party a uh for lack of better wording good choice?

KODY 105 · Post by **KODY 105** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:17 pm

Jacob E. Doyle wrote:I know all that. How does that make being in the Republic party a uh for lack of better wording good choice?

It had nothing to do with it. I thought people could learn the etymology of the word, that's all. Sheesh... I'm trying to display my worthless education and you pick it all apart!

JK!

JED · Post by **JED** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:19 pm

Well I was gonna bring up worthless but I didn't want to insult you.

King Butter Turtle · Post by **King Butter Turtle** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:35 pm

I'm a...um... minor.

But, I plan to register as an Alaskan Independant, which is not on your list.

JED · Post by **JED** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:08 pm

Sorry I haven't been thinking about alaskin independens...

The Top Crusader · Post by **The Top Crusader** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:48 pm

I lean libertarian I suppose but the more outspoken members of the party tend to be dumb so I'm moreso a Republican.

While I won't say the republicans are always right... no way is that the case... but honestly I struggle deeply to find ANYTHING to agree with as for the democrat platform.

Not at all to start a debate, but that will happen...

But I'm curious Jacob as to what issues cause you to be a democrat/liberal.

darcie · Post by **darcie** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:55 pm

I am not affiliated with any party. Which is different than being an Independent, because there's an American Independent Party. Which seems to totally defeat the purpose.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:25 am

I'm in the "Politics Have Been Giving Me A Headache Recently" party

JED · Post by **JED** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:53 am

The Top Crusader wrote:I lean libertarian I suppose but the more outspoken members of the party tend to be dumb so I'm moreso a Republican.

While I won't say the republicans are always right... no way is that the case... but honestly I struggle deeply to find ANYTHING to agree with as for the democrat platform.

Not at all to start a debate, but that will happen...

But I'm curious Jacob as to what issues cause you to be a democrat/liberal.

Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ?

Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's.

Arwen · Post by **Arwen** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:08 pm

I'm registered as a Republican...but I really hate politics pretty much. I'll vote for McCain because he's a better choice, but I'm pretty much just glad that we probably don't have many years left on the earth. I'm looking forward to watching it blow up! $\:D/$

Battle Cry · Post by **Battle Cry** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:11 pm

Jacob E. Doyle wrote:Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ? Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's.

The republicans have been in charge of the house, presidency, and most of the Supreme Court for years now and where are all the laws against abortion? hmm? It’s how they get so many Christians to vote for them, if they passed the laws against abortion they would lose their voters.

If ya haven't guessed already my parents are voting Democrat.

Arwen · Post by **Arwen** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:14 pm

Uh...I don't claim to understand politics that well...but I think that just showed a total lack of political understanding...

Battle Cry · Post by **Battle Cry** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:26 pm

maybe. I don't know. but it dosn't change the fact that there is still no laws against abortion

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:10 pm

Battle Cry wrote:The republicans have been in charge of the house, presidency, and most of the Supreme Court for years now and where are all the laws against abortion? hmm? It’s how they get so many Christians to vote for them, if they passed the laws against abortion they would lose their voters.

If ya haven't guessed already my parents are voting Democrat.

There's a bit of misinformation in there.

First of all, the Republicans are not in charge of Congress, the Democrats took control of that in 2006. Second, political affiliation cannot be measured by party lines on the Supreme Court. True, we can point out which justices were appointed by Republican presidents and which were appointed by Democrat presidents, but that is not as all-telling as some people think. One such reason is that no justice votes on party lines, or even conservative/liberal lines 100% of the time. Another reason is a wild card can work it's way in. Take one David Souter. Appointed to sit on the Court by President George H.W. Bush in 1990, a conservative republican, he usually votes with the liberal side of the Court. Whoops.

Thirdly, just because a party controls certain branches of government or has their man in the White House does not mean that all the policies they want enacted, all the changes they want, and all their rehetorical promises will come to pass. To say that it does is to be guilty of oversimplifying what is by all rights an incredibly complex system and process.

You used abortion as your example. It is true that a majority of republicans/conservatives are anti-abortion. However, I don't believe you have considered what would be required to overturn Roe v. Wade, or to pass anti-abortion laws.

Since discussing anti-abortion laws is much easier to discuss, I'll look at that. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that an anti-abortion bill is proposed in a state legislature (I'm assuming a state legislature because, one, it is easier, two, it is much more plausible).

Let's assume that said bill passes in the state legislature with a majority vote. It than has to go to the governor of said state. If the governor signs it into law, you can bet your bippy that a lawsuit would quickly result. It would be very easy to argue in a court of law that, pursuant to the Roe v. Wade ruling, this new law is unconstitutional. The court would likely agree.

Let's then assume an appeals process (I just realized we're making a lot of assumptions in favor of one side, but for the sake of our story here I digress), and that at some point this lawsuit makes it's way all the way up to the Supreme Court, who's job it is to decide upon the constitutionality of our laws.

Sure, there's a chance the court would strike down the precedent. But that rarely happens, and Roe v Wade would still stand.

Or, in other words, in the simplest case it is nigh high to impossible for all the factors at all the various different levels to go right to successfully implement anti-abortion laws, and the process would most certainly take years, whether it was a success or not. No matter who sits in the White House.

And fourthly, as well as lastly, I am disturbed you'd say the only reason the Republicans haven't struck down Roe v Wade in the last eight years is because they are hungry for votes. As was mentioned earlier, Republicans are generally pro-life, but it doesn't matter. One politician (a presidential candidate, for example) does not wield the necessary power to make a change in such a policy. To say that one politician, or even one party, has that power is to exhibit an oversimplified understanding of the process. As I've shown in the preceding paragraphs, the process is complex and involves many people at many levels in all three branches.

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So what is my point in this rather long post? It's false to indicate that the only reason we still have no laws against abortion is because politicians are hungry for votes and that the only reason Christians vote republican is because the republicans keep saying they are pro-life. Many surely are.

Besides, based on your post this is the basis for your supporting the democrats. And, as you seem to be placing much emphasis on this one issue, I feel that a question naturally poses itself:

Do you really think things will change regarding abortion if the Democrats control Congress and the White House? I'm interested in hearing your answer, as I understand your post to say that we shouldn't vote republican because they have failed to strike down Roe v Wade in the last eight years.

EK · Post by EK » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:13 pm

Battle Cry wrote:
Jacob E. Doyle wrote:Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ? Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's.
The republicans have been in charge of the house, presidency, and most of the Supreme Court for years now and where are all the laws against abortion? hmm? It’s how they get so many Christians to vote for them, if they passed the laws against abortion they would lose their voters.

If ya haven't guessed already my parents are voting Democrat.

lol. that reply was fail.

Jugglah · Post by **Jugglah** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:33 pm

When you become a voter, JED, you will realize that none of this resembles anything like a party. For instance, nobody gets presents. Instead, they get taxed until they cry like babies. So. No parties in sight.

Battle Cry · Post by **Battle Cry** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:37 pm

ek wrote:
Battle Cry wrote:
Jacob E. Doyle wrote:Well first of all I am christian so you might find it weird for me to be democrat AND a christian I am assuming ? Ok to clear things up I am STRONGLY against abortion and STRONGLY against gay marriage. However I think that it is a choice I think that citizens of America should choose what they want to do and what they don't want to do. Democrats give you the opprotunity to choose. If you listen to Barack Obama's speeches and things you will realize that he is against abortion and gay marriage but to sum it all up he thinks it's about CHOICE. It is also can be proved that Democrat's economic policies are better than that of Republicans. Just compare Clinton's presidency with Bush's.
The republicans have been in charge of the house, presidency, and most of the Supreme Court for years now and where are all the laws against abortion? hmm? It’s how they get so many Christians to vote for them, if they passed the laws against abortion they would lose their voters.

If ya haven't guessed already my parents are voting Democrat.
lol. that reply was fail.

I knew I shouldn't get into a political discussion

I really don't know anything besides the stuff that I hear when I'm actually paying attention. sorry, my bad.

JED · Post by **JED** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:28 pm

I know none of this represents a party. I am not exactly stupid or naive regarding politics and how my government functions.

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