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I was surprised there was not a topic about this but Pope Benedict XVI is resigning as of February 28.

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VATICAN CITY (AP) — Benedict XVI always cast himself as the reluctant pope, a shy bookworm who preferred solitary walks in the Alps to the public glare and the majesty of Vatican pageantry. But once in office, he never shied from charting the Catholic Church on the course he thought it needed — a determination reflected in his stunning announcement Monday that he would be the first pope to resign since 1415.
While taking the Vatican and world by surprise, Benedict had laid the groundwork for the decision years ago, saying popes have the obligation to resign if they get too old or sick to carry on. And to many, his decision was perfectly in keeping with a man who had dedicated his life to the church, showing his love for the institution and a courageous acknowledgment that it needed new blood to confront the future.
"This decision, even though it fills us with surprise — and at first glance leaves us with many questions — will be as he said for the good of the church," said Cardinal Angelo Scola, the archbishop of Milan, who is a leading contender to succeed Benedict.
The German theologian, whose mission was to reawaken Christianity in a secularized Europe, grew increasingly frail as he shouldered the monumental task of purging the Catholic world of a sex abuse scandal that festered under John Paul II and exploded during his reign into the church's biggest crisis in decades, if not centuries.
More recently, he bore the painful burden of betrayal by one of his closest aides: Benedict's own butler was convicted by a Vatican court of stealing the pontiff's personal papers and giving them to a journalist, one of the gravest breaches of papal security in modern times.
All the while, Benedict pursued his single-minded vision to rekindle faith in a world which, he frequently lamented, seemed to think it could do without God.
"In vast areas of the world today, there is a strange forgetfulness of God," he told 1 million young people gathered on a vast field for his first foreign trip as pope, World Youth Day in Cologne, Germany in 2005. "It seems as if everything would be just the same even without Him."
With some decisive, often controversial moves, Benedict tried to remind Europe of its Christian heritage and set the Catholic Church on a conservative, tradition-minded path that often alienated progressives and thrilled conservatives.
The Vatican's crackdown on American nuns — accused of straying from church doctrine in pursuing social justice issues rather than stressing core church teaching on abortion and homosexuality — left a bitter taste for many American Catholics.
But conservatives cheered his championing of the pre-Vatican II church and his insistence on tradition, even if it cost the church popularity among liberals.
As he said in his 1996 book "Salt of the Earth," a smaller but purer church may be necessary. "Maybe we are facing a new and different kind of epoch in the church's history, where Christianity will again be characterized more by the mustard seed, where it will exist in small, seemingly insignificant groups that nonetheless live an intensive struggle against evil and bring the good into the world — that let God in," he said then.
Yet his papacy will be forever intertwined with the sex abuse scandal.
Over the course of just a few months in 2010, thousands of people in Europe, Australia, South America and beyond came forward with reports of priests who raped and molested them as children, and bishops who covered up the crimes.
Documents revealed that the Vatican knew well of the problem yet turned a blind eye for decades, at times rebuffing bishops who tried to do the right thing.
Benedict had firsthand knowledge of the scope of the problem since his old office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith which he had headed since 1982, was responsible for dealing with abuse cases.
He met with victims across the globe, wept with them and prayed with them. He promised that the church must "do everything possible" to ensure such crimes never happen again. The Vatican updated its legal code to extend the statute of limitations for cases and told bishops' conferences around the world to come up with guidelines to prevent abuse.
But Benedict never admitted any personal or Vatican failure. Much to the dismay of victims, he never took action against bishops who ignored or covered up the abuse of their priests or moved known pedophiles to new posts where they abused again.
And hard as he tried to heal the church's wounds, Benedict's message was always clouded by his personal style. No globe-trotting showman or media darling like John Paul, Benedict was a teacher and academic to the core: quiet and pensive with a fierce mind. He spoke in paragraphs, not sound bites. In recent years, his declining health made him seem increasingly fragile and somewhat disengaged in public. And he was notoriously prone to gaffes, though that was perhaps more a fault of his advisers than the pope himself.
Some of Benedict's most lasting initiatives as pope — the actions he will be remembered for — focused on restoring traditional Catholic practice and worship to 21st century Catholicism. It was all in a bid to correct what he considered the erroneous interpretation of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that brought the Catholic Church into the modern world.
His conservative vision is a direction his successor will likely continue given that the bulk of the College of Cardinals — the princes of the church who will elect the next pope — was hand-picked by Benedict to guarantee his legacy and ensure an orthodox future for the church.
Hans Kueng, a one-time colleague-turned-critic, said he respected Benedict's decision to resign but that he hoped that the pope "will not exert influence on the election of his successor."
In comments to the dpa news agency, Kueng said it would be hard to find someone "who could lead the church out of its many-layered crisis."
Benedict relaxed restrictions on celebrating the old, pre-Vatican II Latin Mass. He reached out to a group of traditionalist, schismatic Catholics in a bid to bring them back into Rome's fold. And he issued an unprecedented invitation to traditionalist Anglicans upset over women priests and gay bishops to join the Roman Catholic Church.
In doing so, he alienated many progressive Catholics who feared he was rolling back the clock on Vatican II. He also angered some Jews who equated the pre-Vatican II church with the time when Jews were still considered ripe for conversion and were held responsible collectively for the death of Christ.
Yet like John Paul, Benedict had made reaching out to Jews a hallmark of his papacy. His first official act as pope was a letter to Rome's Jewish community and he became the second pope in history, after John Paul, to enter a synagogue.
And in his 2011 book "Jesus of Nazareth" Benedict made a sweeping exoneration of the Jewish people for the death of Christ, explaining biblically and theologically why there was no basis in Scripture for the argument that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for Jesus' death.
"It's very clear Benedict is a true friend of the Jewish people," said Rabbi David Rosen, who heads the interreligious relations office for the American Jewish Committee.
During his trip to Poland, Benedict prayed at the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camp — a visit heavy with significance for a German pope on Polish soil.
"In a place like this, words fail; in the end, there can be only a dread silence, a silence which itself is a heartfelt cry to God: Why, Lord, did you remain silent?" he asked.
His 2009 visit to Israel, however, drew a lukewarm response from officials at Jerusalem's national Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial who found Benedict's speech lacking. His call for a Palestinian state also put a damper on the visit.
Jews were also incensed at Benedict's constant promotion toward sainthood of Pope Pius XII, the World War II-era pope accused by some of having failed to sufficiently denounce the Holocaust. And they harshly criticized Benedict when he removed the excommunication of a traditionalist British bishop who had denied the Holocaust.
Benedict's relations with the Muslim world were also a mixed bag.
He riled the Muslim world with a speech in Regensburg, Germany in September 2006, five years after the terror attacks in the United States, in which he quoted a Byzantine emperor who characterized some of the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman," particularly "his command to spread by the sword the faith."
Much of the outrage that ensued from Benedict's interfaith missteps was due to the Holy See's communications problems: The Vatican under Benedict suffered notorious PR hiccups, constantly finding itself slow to react to news and then reacting with muddled messages that required two or three clarifications before getting it straight.
Sometimes Benedict himself was to blame.
In 2009, he enraged the United Nations and several European governments, when en route to Africa, he told reporters that the AIDS problem couldn't be resolved by distributing condoms. "On the contrary, it increases the problem," he said then.
A year later, he issued a revision that seemed to placate liberals while maintaining church teaching opposing contraception: In a book-length interview, he said that if a male prostitute were to use a condom to avoid passing on HIV to his partner, he might be taking a first step toward a more responsible sexuality.
It was a significant shift given the Vatican's repeated position that abstinence and marital fidelity were the only sure ways to stop the virus. Benedict repeated that line and stressed that sex outside marriage was immoral, but his comments nevertheless marked the first time a pope had even acknowledged that condoms had a role to play in stopping HIV.
When he was elected the 265th leader of the Church on April 19, 2005, Benedict, aged 78, was the oldest pope elected in 275 years and the first German one in nearly 1,000 years.
As John Paul's right-hand man, he had been a favorite going into the vote and was selected in the fastest conclave in a century: Just about 24 hours after the voting began, white smoke curled from the Sistine Chapel chimney at 5:50 p.m. to announce "Habemus Papam!"
Though clearly intending to carry on John Paul's legacy, Benedict didn't try to emulate his predecessor's popular acclaim. His foreign trips were short and focused. His Masses were solemn, his homilies dense and professorial.
And he wasn't afraid to challenge John Paul's legacy when he believed his predecessor had erred.
In one remarkable instance, he essentially took over the Legionaries of Christ, a conservative religious order held up as a model of orthodoxy by John Paul after it was revealed that its founder, the Rev. Marciel Maciel, sexually abused seminarians and fathered at least three children.
Under John Paul, who had been a fierce supporter of Maciel, the Vatican's investigation into the Mexican priest had languished. But a year after Benedict became pope, Maciel was sentenced to a lifetime of penance and prayer, and in 2010 the order was essentially put under receivership by the Vatican because of a host of spiritual, financial and other problems.
He wrote three encyclicals, "God is Love" in 2006, "Saved by Hope" in 2007 and "Charity in Truth" in 2009. The latter was perhaps his best known as it called for a new world financial order guided by ethics that was published in the throes of the global financial meltdown.
Benedict's call, however, would strike some as hypocritical when a year later the Holy See's top two banking officials were placed under investigation in a money laundering probe that resulted in the seizure of millions of euros from a Vatican Bank account. The money was later released after Benedict, the Vatican's top legislator, amended the city state's legal code to comply with international norms to fight money laundering and terror financing.
The Vatican's finances though also came under scrutiny when Benedict's own butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested in May 2012 and charged with stealing the pope's personal correspondence and leaking the documents to a journalist. Gabriele told Vatican investigators he did so because he thought the pope wasn't being informed of the "evil and corruption" in the Vatican and thought that exposing it publicly would put the church back on the right track. Gabriele was eventually sentenced to 18 months in prison, though Benedict later pardoned him.
As soon as he was elected, Benedict moved decisively on a few selected fronts: He made clear early on that he wanted to re-establish diplomatic relations with China that were severed in 1951. He wrote a landmark letter to the 12 million Chinese faithful in 2007, urging them to unite under Rome's wing. But tensions with the state-backed church remained with several illicit ordinations of Chinese bishops without papal consent.
Within his first year, Benedict also signed off on a long-awaited document barring most gays from the priesthood in a move that riled many in the American church. But in a document welcomed by liberal Catholics, he also essentially abolished "limbo," saying there was hope to think that babies who died without being baptized would go to heaven.
And in one of his most popular acts, he beatified his predecessor in record time, drawing 1.5 million people to Rome in 2011 to witness John Paul move a step closer to sainthood.
Benedict favored Masses heavy in Latin and the brocaded silk vestments of his predecessors. His fondness for Gregorian chant and Mozart — he was an accomplished classical pianist — found its way into papal Masses and concerts performed in his honor, some of the only times the workaholic Benedict was seen relaxing and enjoying himself.
He had a weakness for orange Fanta, small animals and his beloved library; when he was elected pope, he had his entire study moved — as is — from his apartment just outside the Vatican walls into the Apostolic Palace.
"In them are all my advisers," he said of his books in the 2010 book-length interview "Light of the World." ''I know every nook and cranny, and everything has its history."
He fed the goldfish in the pond at the papal summer retreat each day during his vacations, and once, when some lion cubs were brought to an audience at the Vatican, he bent down to pet one — no easy feat for a man of his age.
Years after he had left, colleagues from his days at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith spoke wistfully, even nostalgically of his tenure setting the course of Catholic doctrine and discipline and presiding over the creation of the monumental "Catechism of the Catholic Church" — a synthesis of key Catholic teaching.
His presentations at monthly department meetings were "magisterial," they said, worthy of the church's permanent teachings. They said he fostered a "family" inside the hallowed yellow halls of the Holy Office, once known as the Inquisition.
"It was not easy to succeed Pope John Paul II, but he managed to fulfill what he had said he would do at the start of his pontificate — be himself," said Maltese Bishop Charles Scicluna, who worked under Benedict at the Congregation as the Vatican's chief sex crimes prosecutor.
Benedict's real family consisted of his brother Georg, also a priest and a frequent summer visitor to Castel Gandolfo. His sister died years previous.
His "papal family" consisted of Monsignor Georg Gaenswein, his longtime private secretary who was always by his side, another secretary and four consecrated women who tended to the papal apartment.
They shared meals, celebrated daily Mass together and at the end of the day watched DVDs, especially of Benedict's favorite show "Don Camillo and Peppone," a black and white comedy from the 1950s about the pastor of a small Italian town and its Communist mayor.
Benedict was born April 16, 1927 in Marktl Am Inn, in Bavaria, but his father, a policeman, moved frequently and the family left when he was 2.
In his memoirs, Benedict dealt what could have been a source of controversy had it been kept secret — that he was enlisted in the Nazi youth movement against his will when he was 14 in 1941, when membership was compulsory. He said he was soon let out because of his studies for the priesthood. Two years later he was drafted into a Nazi anti-aircraft unit as a helper. He deserted the German army in April 1945, the waning days of the war.
He called it prophetic that a German followed a Polish pope — with both men coming from such different sides of World War II.
Benedict was ordained, along with his brother, in 1951. After spending several years teaching theology in Germany, he was appointed bishop of Munich in 1977 and elevated to cardinal three months later by Pope Paul VI.
John Paul named him leader of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1981 and he took up his post a year later. Following John Paul's death in 2005, he was elected pope.
If there were any doubts about Benedict's priority to reinvigorate Christianity in Europe, his choice of a papal name was as good as any indication.
Benedict told cardinals soon after he was elected that he hoped to be a pope of peace, like Pope Benedict XV, who reigned during World War I. But the first Benedict — St. Benedict of Norcia — was also an inspiration.
The 5th and 6th century monk is a patron saint of Europe and inspired the creation of the Benedictine order, the main guardian of learning and literature in Western Europe during the dark centuries that followed the fall of the Roman Empire.
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I am very interested in seeing Cardinal Leonardo Sandri as the next Pope. As the President of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches I think he is in an excellent position to work very well with the also new religious leaders in Orthodoxy; Coptic Pope Tawadros II and Patriarch John X of Antioch. All of whom could enjoy a long term relationship that would go a long way toward reunification and helping those leaders who are undergoing terrible persecution now.
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I heard about this.. I wonder what scandal happened.
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Why does everyone automatically assume there must have been a scandal?
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I concur with bookworm.
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I too concur with bookwor. There was no scandal, he is resigning because he believes that he is no longer strong enough mentally or physically to continue being the head of the chruch.
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Whitty Whit wrote:I heard about this.. I wonder what scandal happened.
This was my initial reaction.

However, upon further examination, the Pope seems to have an awesome reason for stepping down.
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bookworm wrote:Why does everyone automatically assume there must have been a scandal?
Because everyone assumes Catholics are evil/not really Christians. Heh.
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jasonjannajerryjohn wrote:
bookworm wrote:Why does everyone automatically assume there must have been a scandal?
Because everyone assumes Catholics are evil/not really Christians. Heh.
I must say I don't think that. I said what I said partially because there have been scandals within the Vatican before and during his time in office. I sincerely doubt that he is resigning because he is "old and tired". People crave power, and I doubt he would willingly give it up after so long just because he's "old and tired". Capiche?

Edit: @JJ: lol. That's funny. If only that were true. ;)
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Whitty Whit wrote:
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bookworm wrote:Why does everyone automatically assume there must have been a scandal?
Because everyone assumes Catholics are evil/not really Christians. Heh.
I must say I don't think that. I said what I said partially because there have been scandals within the Vatican before and during his time in office. I sincerely doubt that he is resigning because he is "old and tired". People crave power, and I doubt he would willingly give it up after so long just because he's "old and tired". Capiche?
Unless the Pope is not all about power which he isn't supposed to be. You know, as a religious leader. And unless the Catholic Church's hierarchy isn't there for the sake of, you know, power and control but instead there for nurture and caring for people's lives and keeping the church from splintering apart like Protestants.
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Whitty Whit wrote:People crave power, and I doubt he would willingly give it up after so long just because he's "old and tired". Capiche?
So you don't think there may be leaders out there who have noble reasons for being in leadership?
@JJ: lol. That's funny. If only that were true. ;)
So you think it would be good if everyone thought Catholics were evil non-Christians? [Sorry I didn't realize JJ = AE, my bad!]
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Whitty Whit wrote:People crave power, and I doubt he would willingly give it up after so long just because he's "old and tired". Capiche?
So you don't think there may be leaders out there who have noble reasons for being in leadership?
Nope. All government is evil Mr. Libertarian.
@JJ: lol. That's funny. If only that were true. ;)
So you think it would be good if everyone thought Catholics were evil non-Christians?
Obviously. Create another "other" for us to fear and loath. Why not? We've already got a whole bunch like hispanics and gays and French people and many others.

Also, ironic about Protestants creating Catholics as others considering Martin Luther, who is so loved for breaking off from the Catholic church, had no desire to break off from the Catholic Church. Indeed, he wanted to change some of the things inside of it, not create an entirely different church. Hence Protestant Reformation. Heh.
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John Chrysostom wrote:
@JJ: lol. That's funny. If only that were true. ;)
So you think it would be good if everyone thought Catholics were evil non-Christians?
Note that he did not say JJJJ. He said JJ - which is AE's nickname. ;)
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Wow lots of people responded.

lol @AynRand for not getting I was laughing at the image AE posted.

@jjjj:Hey now, I never said Luther wanted to break off from the church. I knew he didn't want to do that. You brought that up and trying to shove words in my mouth.
Unless the Pope is not all about power which he isn't supposed to be
... Isn't supposed to be, yes. The pope is supposed to not be all about power... but that is what it has come down too.

And as long as we're pointing fingers for problems in today's world, take a look at history. Notice how the church tried to gain so much power by trying to assert it's power over lots of the kingdoms in the Dark Ages/Medieval time periods/eras. A lot of the problems in that age was partially because of the church.
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Ahhh my mistake, AE's post was pretty funny. I will edit my post to reflect that.
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Whitty Whit wrote:@jjjj:Hey now, I never said Luther wanted to break off from the church. I knew he didn't want to do that. You brought that up and trying to shove words in my mouth.
Not at all. That statement had nothing to do with you. It was an aside. As in a moment when an actor turns to the audience and says something without talking to the other people in the play.
... Isn't supposed to be, yes. The pope is supposed to not be all about power... but that is what it has come down too.
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Examples for the current Pope that suggest he only cares about power? I honestly don't know since I don't really keep up with the Catholic Church or the Pope.

And as long as we're pointing fingers for problems in today's world, take a look at history. Notice how the church tried to gain so much power by trying to assert it's power over lots of the kingdoms in the Dark Ages/Medieval time periods/eras. A lot of the problems in that age was partially because of the church.
Yup, pretty much. I'm not going to defend the Catholic Church, since I'm obviously not a Catholic. Mostly just playing Devil's Advocate to make people think. You know, as I do. A lot of the problems of the age were specifically because of the church, no partially about it.

Also, and more importantly, AE's nickname is JJ? I don't think so, there's only one person with multiple J's for a name around here.
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Well his first and middle initials are JJ... sorry for making every body confused. :D
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Whitty Whit wrote:
jasonjannajerryjohn wrote:
bookworm wrote:Why does everyone automatically assume there must have been a scandal?
Because everyone assumes Catholics are evil/not really Christians. Heh.
I must say I don't think that. I said what I said partially because there have been scandals within the Vatican before and during his time in office. I sincerely doubt that he is resigning because he is "old and tired". People crave power, and I doubt he would willingly give it up after so long just because he's "old and tired". Capiche?

Edit: @JJ: lol. That's funny. If only that were true. ;)
So Blessed Pope John Paul II was Pope for 27 years, Pope Benedict XVI has been pope for almost 8 years.
Pope Benedict is also almost 86, wouldn't you be feeling old and tired if you were almost 86. He is actually in failing health, he can barely walk and is transported on a platform I believe. And after he leaves he's going to live the rest of his life peacefully in prayer at a monastery, now after living the last 8 years of his live in power, if he was so power hungry as you say, why would he go off to lead a peaceful life? I'm just saying.......
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Allow me to rephrase my statement, if you will. "I sincerely doubt that he is resigning just because he is 'old and tired'."
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That is why people retire, not because of some scandal.
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