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I would like to introduce to Christian A. and conquestor to
On another note: conquestor, you obviously don't understand the work of Marx and Engels, for they were about eliminating all class, and creating equality, you know, that thing that we as Christians are supposed to encourage. Also if you had read and understood any of Marx work you would know that dictatorship and communism are not necessarily companions as you so blindly stated, and communist and socialist thought generally believes in rehabilitation, not murder.
I would also like to note that arguing theory is a waste of time.
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On another note: conquestor, you obviously don't understand the work of Marx and Engels, for they were about eliminating all class, and creating equality, you know, that thing that we as Christians are supposed to encourage. Also if you had read and understood any of Marx work you would know that dictatorship and communism are not necessarily companions as you so blindly stated, and communist and socialist thought generally believes in rehabilitation, not murder.
I would also like to note that arguing theory is a waste of time.
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Here's the quote, since you so badly need it:
The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex; The Works of Charles Darwin, D. Appleton and Company, New York. wrote:“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time, the anthropomorphous apes. . . will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”
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All that is saying is that people will inevitably war and the weaker group will die. Also you appear to have left a portion out.
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I think he was using that to point out what evolutionists thought regarding blacks and Aborigines, which was due to a mistake on my part, and having read the quote, I concede the point.
Speaking of points, Christian, 31899 also has a good one. You can't just state something blandly as fact without a source to back it up. I did that, unfortunately, because I didn't phrase myself properly, but the point still stands.
Speaking of points, Christian, 31899 also has a good one. You can't just state something blandly as fact without a source to back it up. I did that, unfortunately, because I didn't phrase myself properly, but the point still stands.
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I did say,
But I will try to post the quotes with my statements of fact in the future.Christian A. wrote:I don't have an exact quote, but I can probably find it if you want it.
I have read a little of Marx and Engels works and I quote.
Communist ManifestoLet the ruling classes tremble at a communistic revolution. the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.
Stalin and the others killed over millions to succeed. Oh and Communism believes there is no God. There equality is a different sort everyone is 'perfect like a god'. He believed that humans would evolve because of evolution to the final sinless perfect state with no leadership.YOu must therefore confess that by individual you mean no other person than the bourgeois than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed be swept out of the way and made impossible
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You are completely right, how could I have been so wrong and misunderstood[/sarcasm]Blitz wrote:I have read a little of Marx and Engels works and I quote.Communist ManifestoLet the ruling classes tremble at a communistic revolution. the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win.Stalin and the others killed over millions to succeed. Oh and Communism believes there is no God. There equality is a different sort everyone is 'perfect like a god'. He believed that humans would evolve because of evolution to the final sinless perfect state with no leadership.YOu must therefore confess that by individual you mean no other person than the bourgeois than the middle-class owner of property. This person must indeed be swept out of the way and made impossible
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I quote what I forgot to quote Marx most famous saying
Religion is the Opiate of the People
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Context and proceeding and following paragraphs please.Blitz wrote:I quote what I forgot to quote Marx most famous sayingReligion is the Opiate of the People
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It mean religion should be removed if you want the perfect society. because is causes division. Which is why communist kill Christians
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Blitz wrote:It mean religion should be removed if you want the perfect society. because is causes division. Which is why communist kill Christians
Context and proceeding and following paragraphs please.
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A Contribution to the Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right wrote:The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
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Thank you Bookworm.
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Like I have said before, true communism doesn't generally believe in/use murder or commit acts of genocide. Also, if you understood the context you would realise that what they are saying is that religion is a symptom of a larger disease, not that they want to kill anyone who has a religious belief. Also, you seem to have missed that it is directed at all religions, not just Christianity .Blitz wrote:It mean religion should be removed if you want the perfect society. because is causes division. Which is why communist kill Christians
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But Communism is for a strange reason all ways killing and I agree with some of your points but I still say Communism kills. It also kills from the collective farms. (by the way I thought this was on evolution) 20,000 people died in one year on the farms.
Communism is based of the wont of man to avoid God. Since man is imperfect (Which is his fault [I refer you to Genesis Chapter 3 if you think I'm wrong]) he cannot want to love a holy God on his own. Communism is simply an attempt to avoid responsibility and having to admit humanity is flawed. Oh! And we're off-topic because this thread is about evolution. Not Communism.
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This is true, but it's not like the evolution thing was ever getting anywhere.
And at some point, Nazism was brought up with the persecuting of Jews and their evolutionary status being at its roots; I don't think that this is true, though. The Nazis hated the Jews, sure, but they also hated Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, the physically and mentally disabled, Africans, Asians, and basically anybody who wasn't a member of the supposedly genetically superior Aryans. We tend to think of the Jews because they got the worst end of that stick, as they were the most densely populated people group out of all of those persecuted at that time in Germany, but even Christians were sent to concentration camps, and it was more of a "tainted blood" thing than a "lower evolution" thing.
Thing about communism and socialism is that they don't work if not everybody agrees with them. You have to have unanimity for those political systems to work; otherwise you'd have something of an uprising on your hands.Blitz wrote:But Communism is for a strange reason all ways killing
Religion isn't exclusive to Christianity. The reason why some people have the conception that communism is all about purging is that Communism has had a history of horrible leadership, Stalin perhaps being the most prominent. It's not that Communism entails killing people; it's just that its leaders resorted to it in order to retain control.Blitz wrote:Which is why communist kill Christians
And at some point, Nazism was brought up with the persecuting of Jews and their evolutionary status being at its roots; I don't think that this is true, though. The Nazis hated the Jews, sure, but they also hated Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, the physically and mentally disabled, Africans, Asians, and basically anybody who wasn't a member of the supposedly genetically superior Aryans. We tend to think of the Jews because they got the worst end of that stick, as they were the most densely populated people group out of all of those persecuted at that time in Germany, but even Christians were sent to concentration camps, and it was more of a "tainted blood" thing than a "lower evolution" thing.
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Whitty Whit wrote:But the thing is. communists don't like anybody that opposes them.
Ginny Weasley wrote:Thing about communism and socialism is that they don't work if not everybody agrees with them. You have to have unanimity for those political systems to work; otherwise you'd have something of an uprising on your hands.
Again, that's more of the person following the philosophy than the philosophy itself. People who kill other people for almost no reason have followed every philosophy, even the ones that teach the opposite. The problem with communism, again, is that it needs unanimity to retain control, and because most of the people following it have gotten pretty paranoid, they resort to the purging. It's not that it teaches killing those who oppose you; the people following it were just like that to begin with.Whitty Whit wrote:They will kill people for almost no reason at all
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I significantly agree with Ginny (sorry for addressing you in the third person). Also when one see a country killing off people that claims to be communist, that person should seriously think about whether or not that country is actually a communist country. Communism gets a bad reputation from poor leadership and improper use, but there have been instances where communist like groups have existed and worked very well. These were before the word communist even existed, but they include the early church and many native peoples of North America before contact.
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