^This.Leonard Meltsner wrote:Rise up ToOers!!! DESTROY NOVA... err.... FAIO!!!!
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I never listen to AIO episodes online...
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^This.Leonard Meltsner wrote:Rise up ToOers!!! DESTROY NOVA... err.... FAIO!!!!
Not exactly, they are finding all uploads and organizing them for everyone. Some may be legal, but some may not be.The Top Crusader wrote:But yeah isn't that site just finding places where it is legally uploaded and organizing it for everyone? >_>
Ah, Bookworm. Problem there. They can listen to episodes on Whitsend.org. Why would they buy it if they have a site that provides every single episode? (At least they used to have almost all of them. Not any more.bookworm wrote:Not exactly, they are finding all uploads and organizing them for everyone. Some may be legal, but some may not be.The Top Crusader wrote:But yeah isn't that site just finding places where it is legally uploaded and organizing it for everyone? >_>
I completely agree with Top's take on this. I believe a majority of people that listen to things free do it because they wouldn’t pay for them. I know that’s how I am. Sites like that can actually be good for the company. The company isn’t loosing money because the people wouldn’t buy the episodes in the first place. By being able to listen free, FOTF is getting their product spread to people who otherwise wouldn’t listen. If someone heard it for free and likes it, they can then buy it.
It seems to me to be a win-win.
And as for boycotting the site, that would do nothing to aid your cause and isn’t a logical action anyway. The site is doing nothing illegal. They upload no content, they only link to already uploaded content. If you’re upset about this, boycott the people doing the uploading, that is where the problem lies, if you see it as a problem.
I just tried to listen to The Final Conflict there. I couldn’t do it.odysseyfan1 wrote:They can listen to episodes on Whitsend.org.
That’s where the ethics come in. Not for the website, for the person using it.odysseyfan1 wrote:Why would they buy it if they have a site that provides every single episode?
....yeah, not liking them so far.Faio wrote:Faio is the ultimate Adventures In Odyssey fan-site.
(emphasis w/ bold my own)Faio FAQ Notes wrote:What FOTF Says
"Because these high-caliber productions involve a significant financial investment and require a blend of gifted actors and actresses and a talented production team, we offer them for a fee to help cover our expenses. If we can't cover our costs, we can't produce more episodes." - Nathan Hoobler, employee for Adventures In Odyssey
In other words, if people use Faio INSTEAD of buying their favorite albums, Focus on the Family could suffer greatly. While Faio is generally not "bad" and is certainly legal, it could be abused just like any other great service. It's not up to Faio whether Focus is hurt or not, it's up to you, the user, to show your support for this great Christian product.
No they can’t, I just demonstrated that the episode I wanted to listen to isn’t on there.odysseyfan1 wrote:My point was, that if they want to listen to an episode to see if they like it, they can go to WhitsEnd.org.
No, like I said if they hear them it’s more reason to buy them, because they know they appreciate them.odysseyfan1 wrote:cuz then they've heard every single episode and there's no need for them to buy them.
But why buy when you can listen for free??? WhitsEnd has I think about a month full of episodes. If you want the privilege of listening to whichever one you want, buy your own.bookworm wrote:No they can’t, I just demonstrated that the episode I wanted to listen to isn’t on there.odysseyfan1 wrote:My point was, that if they want to listen to an episode to see if they like it, they can go to WhitsEnd.org.No, like I said if they hear them it’s more reason to buy them, because they know they appreciate them.odysseyfan1 wrote:cuz then they've heard every single episode and there's no need for them to buy them.
It is still costing the company money in the sense that they are not receiving the money that they would if you bought it instead of getting it unethically for free. The actual disc isn't the biggest part of the cost for a company - the content on it it what costs a lot to develop and produce, whether it's music or an audio drama or a movie or whatever. I can see your differentiation between physical and digital property, but let's call theft what it is. Downloading an MP3 that cost a company money to make that one purposely finds an unethical way to get for free when the company is selling it is still costing the company money. You cost them a sale. That's money gone. That's unethical. That's theft.The Top Crusader wrote:I think people don't consider digital theft in the same way (rather they should or not) because yes, stealing a CD is literally costing a company money. Downloading an MP3 isn't losing anyone any money, even if it is indeed theft.
That is a very slim minority. There are 53 AIO albums that are available legitimately (not including the special sets), and a few episodes that are unreleased that hardcore fans really want. A site like FAIO isn't of any use to the hardcore fan trying to track down those few missing episodes. They're a problem because they are making all the other episodes available that are readily available for purchase in a number of stores and websites. If somebody can't afford the album, they can listen with a clear conscience to whatever is available at whitsend.org. There's a limited number available, but it's always changing, so people can still listen to lots of episodes. Some libraries have albums that people can borrow. Maybe there's a friend that they can borrow an album from. I've lent my AIO sets to lots of friends over the years.Laurie wrote:FOTF brings this on themselves: people want the hard to find episodes, or can't afford the albums so they use these sites. They would not have this problem if they would release the hard to find episodes on CD. They need to do that and they should do that. I've been saying it for years. If they can re release the Gold Audio, Novacom plus all of the other albums, they can release the episodes not on CD.
You could not listen to the one specific episode you wanted to hear, but I think odysseyfan1 is saying that if you wanted to get a feel for the show in general, you could listen to an episode and see what you think. Not any episode to see if you like that specific episode, but if you want to see what AIO is about, you can listen to a decent selection on the official website.bookworm wrote:No they can’t, I just demonstrated that the episode I wanted to listen to isn’t on there.odysseyfan1 wrote:My point was, that if they want to listen to an episode to see if they like it, they can go to WhitsEnd.org.
Thank you Catspaw.Catspaw wrote:You could not listen to the one specific episode you wanted to hear, but I think odysseyfan1 is saying that if you wanted to get a feel for the show in general, you could listen to an episode and see what you think. Not any episode to see if you like that specific episode, but if you want to see what AIO is about, you can listen to a decent selection on the official website.
Bookworm, as a fan of AIO who has Never actually bought any AIO (although I want to), if I knew there was a legitimate way of listening to almost any episode for free, I would use it. Not only would I use it, I wold most likely not buy any of the available episodes, because, why buy when you can easily access the episodes free?bookworm wrote:No, like I said if they hear them it’s more reason to buy them, because they know they appreciate them.odysseyfan1 wrote:cuz then they've heard every single episode and there's no need for them to buy them.
I promise you... the petition is very easy to sign. All you need is a name (ToO username is fine) and email address (which is not shown). If you use Facebook, you can sign it with just a click or two! Please take the time to visit the petition site.To the webmaster of FAIO:
We kindly ask you to remove your website. Yes, you are not directly breaking the law by linking to the illegal uploads, but we believe that it is not only unethical, but that it is hurting Focus on the Family.
Please, for the sake of Adventures in Odyssey, Focus on the Family, and the future of these companies, please take your site down.
Sincerly,
the signers of this petition.