Rock: Wicked, or suitable for Christians.

[31899]

So would that include things like marching bands and folk music?

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[American Eagle]

So would that include things like marching bands and folk music?

31899

Do marching bands use strong backbeats nowadays? That I didn't know...

I can't speak for folk music.

[Steve]

So would that include things like marching bands and folk music?

31899

Do marching bands use strong backbeats nowadays? That I didn't know...

I can't speak for folk music.

I didn't think 4/4 beats were evil. This is news to me...

[ric]

Folk music has backbeats I guess. I mean, most 4/4 music these days has accents on 2 and 4. I'm not quite sure I understand how that would make it evil. I mean, some of the other arguments I can at least understand, but I'm not seeing this one...

[Josef1004]

For the record, I'm not really into scrutinizing backbeats or smackbeats or whatever, I'm just talking about when peoples are screaming and working themselves into a frenzy; I don't call that music. And from a Christian perspective, The Bible always speaks of music as a joyful noise and a melody and everything like that. Why would we want to turn it into a noise like a wild maniac?

[31899]

So would that include things like marching bands and folk music?

31899

Do marching bands use strong backbeats nowadays? That I didn't know...

I can't speak for folk music.

They always have:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYJqMUJFY1g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w655V4hZVe0
I couldn't find a good folk music example where you could here the bass

Those are just two I remebered off the top of my head but almost every marching band uses a really heavy bass drum or in folk music a heavy bass line.

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[DanP740]

Hooray for Oz Fox.

People might not recognize their real names.

Same with Oz Fox... his real name isn't exactly recognizable.

-- 16 Mar 2011 06:18 pm --

The Bible always speaks of music as a joyful noise and a melody and everything like that. Why would we want to turn it into a noise like a wild maniac?

What if shredding solos and singing crazily is your joyful noise?

[Termite]

Seriously. On what Dan said, let's get one thing straight, people:

Everyone has their own special way of connecting with God through music.

Josef, if I can enter into worship via metal music, who are you to say otherwise? I'll answer this rhetorical question: you're not. No one can tell me that I can't get into a special moment with God when listening to heavy stuff. Maybe you don't like it and you can't worship that way, and that's fine. Honestly. But don't try to tell me I'm sinning when I'm rocking out to a metaled up version of 'How Great Thou Art' and sincerely singing from the bottom of my heart. Cause I'm not, thanksverymuch.

You are totally allowed to have different tastes in music. But then... so am I. And as long as the content isn't sinful and is lifting God up, then rock music is fine.

[DanP740]

Everyone has their own special way of connecting with God through music.

QFT. Sometimes I feel like my 80's Christian glam metal, sometimes I feel like my early 90's oldschool dcTalk rap. Sometimes I feel like CCM, sometimes I feel like modern Lecrae rap. Or some ska. Whatever gets me.

[Josef1004]

What if shredding solos and singing crazily is your joyful noise?

I would appear a pretty mixed up person, wouldn't I?

Be honest with yourself for a moment and ask yourself: "Is this communicating gracefully with people?" "Is this 'grace seasoned with salt', or is it more like salt seasoned with grace?"

Sure we each have a right to "our" music; But is standing on our rights the mature position to take when it comes to worship, or anything in the Christian life, actually?

Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ, believed he had a right to eat all meats, but rather than saying: "Don't anyone try to tell me I can't eat that!", he had the spiritual maturity level enough to forgo his right to eat meats, in favour of his brothers who believed it would be wrong to eat such meats.

We may have a "right" to do certain things, but that doesn't necessarily make them right. And by right I mean the most becoming of our place in the grace of God and our process of maturing in the knowledge of Christ.

And by "our place in the grace of God" I mean that being saved by His grace, that same grace teaches us to do what the law could never force us to do. The "Do or die!" of the law has been replaced by the "Look and live!" of grace. And looking, we begin to live in a way that only He can through us. And to go that way, we have to forgo rights. That's what I mean by "our process of maturing in the knowledge of Christ"--as we think of all the rights that He gave up. He "suffered these things" and entered into his glory.

[Steve]

What if shredding solos and singing crazily is your joyful noise?

I would appear a pretty mixed up person, wouldn't I?

No, just a really boring person.

[Josef1004]

What if shredding solos and singing crazily is your joyful noise?

I would appear a pretty mixed up person, wouldn't I?

No, just a really boring person.

Well, that too.

[DanP740]

What if shredding solos and singing crazily is your joyful noise?

I would appear a pretty mixed up person, wouldn't I?

Be honest with yourself for a moment and ask yourself: "Is this communicating gracefully with people?" "Is this 'grace seasoned with salt', or is it more like salt seasoned with grace?"

Sure we each have a right to "our" music; But is standing on our rights the mature position to take when it comes to worship, or anything in the Christian life, actually?

Paul, the Apostle of Jesus Christ, believed he had a right to eat all meats, but rather than saying: "Don't anyone try to tell me I can't eat that!", he had the spiritual maturity level enough to forgo his right to eat meats, in favour of his brothers who believed it would be wrong to eat such meats.

We may have a "right" to do certain things, but that doesn't necessarily make them right. And by right I mean the most becoming of our place in the grace of God and our process of maturing in the knowledge of Christ.

And by "our place in the grace of God" I mean that being saved by His grace, that same grace teaches us to do what the law could never force us to do. The "Do or die!" of the law has been replaced by the "Look and live!" of grace. And looking, we begin to live in a way that only He can through us. And to go that way, we have to forgo rights. That's what I mean by "our process of maturing in the knowledge of Christ"--as we think of all the rights that He gave up. He "suffered these things" and entered into his glory.

Note of contrary occurring: When in the presence of family members who do not like metal and rap, I do not listen to them except with headphones (except when playing metal on electric guitar. Too bad.)

[Steve]

If worshiping God is supposed to mean I'm mature, I'm a pretty lousy Christian.

I say: As long as it glorifies God; it's good.

[ric]

Here's a short video clip I just wanted to share. It doesn't exactly pertain, but it's still a great clip. (Joy Electric = win band, btw)


Another interview with the same guy:

[DanP740]

Might as well post this as well. This is just the first part, it's over 45 minutes long.

[Taps]

If worshiping God is supposed to mean I'm mature, I'm a pretty lousy Christian.

I say: As long as it glorifies God; it's good.

I back you up 100 % man ok maybe that was a bit extreme. How about this

[odysseyfan1]

You guys have to admit that rock isn't exactly worshipful. Especially artists like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Hannah Montana. And listening to CCM can lead to those kinds of groups. (hears noise, sees angry stampeding crowd, runs away, AAAAUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!!!)

[UNCLEBITTLES]

You guys have to admit that rock isn't exactly worshipful. Especially artists like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Hannah Montana. And listening to CCM can lead to those kinds of groups. (hears noise, sees angry stampeding crowd, runs away, AAAAUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!!!)

Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Hannah Montana aren't rock. Lady Gaga is more popish. Katy Perry is country. And Hannah Montana is more country/pop.

Might as well post this as well. This is just the first part, it's over 45 minutes long.

Stryper FTW!

[odysseyfan1]

You guys have to admit that rock isn't exactly worshipful. Especially artists like Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Hannah Montana. And listening to CCM can lead to those kinds of groups. (hears noise, sees angry stampeding crowd, runs away, AAAAUUUUGGGGHHH!!!!!!!)

Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Hannah Montana aren't rock. Lady Gaga is more popish. Katy Perry is country. And Hannah Montana is more country/pop.

Might as well post this as well. This is just the first part, it's over 45 minutes long.

Stryper FTW!

I know they're different genres, I was just too lazy to write it down. Ignore my comment please, I had just lightly skimmed over this topic. CCM would be a matter of conviction. I know saved people who listen. Secular artists w/ bad words and half-naked cover photos would be wrong to listen to.