I haven't become a robot. I've been exposed to much more pro-Palestinian media than any American could probably imagine (remember my three summers abroad? One of them I had to read 5-10 international newspapers every weekday. I know what the very skewed media says. I've witnessed dozens of pro-Palestinian rallies, and I think I've had a much clearer view of the pro-Palestinian side of things than the average person. You tell me not to base my opinions on limited facts that I have or have looked up, yet I've actually experience more facts in this area than probably 75% of Americans and Canadians. Where exactly are you getting your facts? Do you have personal experience with this? Are you basing your sympathy for Palestinian terror on the cold hard facts or the emotional manipulation of others who have specific agendas?Bruce Wayne wrote: lol, this really isn't the debate, but I'll say a little bit here.
Well, first of all, most of the Palestinian people want peace. You are doing exactly what you don't want others doing to Canada and France. Stereotyping.
Think about it. The U.S. soldiers had to do some things that were very tramatic to the Palestinian people. Also think about that one little incident involving the humiliation of Palestinian POWs by US troops...
Don't become a robot, try to actually think for yourself. Don't be quick to jump on any group of people because of the limited amount of information you have, or have looked up.
The people that are the "bad guys" here are the radical extremists that want to take out Israel, but even than I can see the rationalism there. Anyway, this is a whole other debate for another time.
I am also capable of thinking for myself, and I've looked at the facts. Again, probably more so than most Americans or Canadians. Why do you assume that because I disagree with you, I'm a drone? I haven't accused you of such behavior, kindly maintain the same civility toward myself.
There are a few Palestinians who want peace, to be sure, but unfortunately they get mistreated in the same way as the majority who want violence, death, and hatred. That's not surprising, and we can't do anything about it. There were a small minority of Germans who didn't approve of the Nazis action either, but they suffered the consequences when the bombs fell just as those who had voted for the Nazi party. It's called being a part of a community. When your community does something wrong, you, unfortunately, suffer along with them.
You seem to think that it is only a minority who want death and destruction. Sadly, it is a majority. If it wasn't a majority, they wouldn't elect organizations like Hamas and other extreme parties as their representatives to Parliament (radical parties make up roughly 60% of the current government). Even "moderate" Fatah, which is supposedly the least violent and terrorist minded organization in their politics, is more extreme and sponsors "a number of militant groups" since its founding. If Europe or the U.S. had even one party as extreme as Fatah, they would be branded "Nazis", yet the majority of Palestinians have elected a party that Hitler would be proud of.
And this isn't exaggerating. Don't you think its telling when the controlling party has, as its stated aims, to destroy Israel and bring about harm to both the US and the UK? Those doesn't sound very peace-loving (or freedom loving to me. This would be akin to the US electing a party that has as its official platform a promise to militarily destroy Canada... Not appropriate for any country or Parliament. No, the media wants us to believe that 99% of a Palestinians would simply like to live harmoniously side by side with Israel and be all peaceful and civilized. Unfortunately they don't vote that way.
Sadly, most Palestinian people do not want peace. They want the complete destruction of Israel and violence and mayhem in general. I can't tell you why. Palestinians have been kicked out of numerous Islamic countries (Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.) because they are, as a community, violent and hateful, even to other Muslims. If it was only Israel with whom they had problems, one might wonder, but since they've had problems with every country they've come in contact with since WWII, one might begin to wonder...
I am not aware that the US military has had any dealing with Palestinians, much less a "traumatic" or "humiliating". Could you please cite a source for that?
If you can see the rationalism behind any group or organization wanting to take out Israel, then you have no concept of the historical elements in this conflict. When Israel was founded after WWII, the Jews wanted to 'just get along'. There were many Palestinians who did as well. Sadly, they were murdered by their own people for being "Jew lovers". Trying to understand that rational that would first murder their own countrymen who wanted peace and then murder a country who offers stability, wealth, and prosperity to those who do choose to integrate is insanity. It's rather like trying to understand Hitler or Stalin's rationality: You may get there, but when you do you've taken on their disease.
Regarding the "badly mistreated" discussion - No, it is not redundant. Mistreatment is part of human life. What I meant when I said that Israel has not badly mistreated Palestinians is that they have not done so in either normal or inappropriate or unjustifiable ways. For example, when the U.S. has water or mineral right disputes with Canada, we may be mistreating them, but we aren't badly mistreating them until we gun down Canadian citizens for no reason.
