18:14 <Anonymous>: okay, you start: what do you believe is the answer to that question?
18:28 <Sam>: I believe that yes, God is a god of justice. However, He's also a God of mercy and love. I believe that He at least gives those who have never heard, or couldn't hear or understand even if they wanted to, a chance before condemning them or something. I mean, if a person spent their life worshiping idols or denying any belief of any god, whether true or not,
18:28 <Sam>: he's probably likely to end up in heck, sure. I don't know for sure, but it's likely. However, when things like abortion happen, where a child never even got the chance to see a chance to hear about, much less believe in God, I don't think God's going to just never give them a chance. I mean, he's a God of mercy and compassion. He believes everyone gets a
18:28 <Sam>: second chance. He gave us as sinners a second chance, didn't He? So I think He does. I also don't believe in that whole "The parents sins are stained on us before we are even born so we never have a chance". Sure, we're born in sin, but that's why God send his Son to die in our place. He washed our sins away. Does that mean we'll never sin? No. But I don't
18:28 <Sam>: But I don't think that others actions, even our parents, are pressed onto us. Not entirely, anyways. I mean, if your best friend steals an apple, does that make you guilty of thievery? As long as you didn't tempt him, you had nothing to do with it. So, just like that, our parents sins cant keep us from having a chance. Especially when it comes to those who
18:28 <Sam>: those who were killed before even getting the chance to live for Him. After all, isn't it Jesus Himself who says to have faith through the eyes of a child? So pure and innocent. Does that mean they'll never mess up? No. But I don't think God is just going to send every challenged man and his brother to heck just because he is "a God of justice". We aren't
18:29 <Sam>: puppets. It's our choice.
18:29 <Sam>: Well... That was a lot more than I thought it would be...
18:31 <Anonymous>: Would you like a verse to back your opinion up?
18:32 <Sam>: You mean you have one, or you want me to find some? 'Cause if you give me time, I could probably find some.
18:32 <Anonymous>:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/ts ... v=23&t=KJV
18:34 <Anonymous>: Sam, look at the link I put.
18:34 <Sam>: I did
18:35 <Anonymous>: okay, what can you get from that verse?
18:37 <Sam>: I'm thinking, Anonymous
18:39 <Anonymous>: do you want me to tell you what I get from the verse Sam?
18:39 <Sam>: Sure, Anonymous. Though I now know what it's from...
18:40 <Anonymous>: David says that the baby won't come back to him, meaning the baby won't be coming back to earth.
18:40 <Anonymous>: but David says that he (David) will go to the baby.
18:40 <Anonymous>: David is going to heaven, we can assume.
18:40 <Anonymous>: therefore if David is going to heaven,
18:40 <Anonymous>: and " I shall go to him"
18:41 <Sam>: The child must be in heaven, even if he was born of sin.
18:41 <Anonymous>: we can derive that when David goes to heaven, the baby will be there because David is "going to him"
18:41 <Anonymous>: does that help?
18:41 <Sam>: Yeah.. Actually, that helps a lot. =]
18:41 <Skid>: Or they're both going to the grave.
18:42 <Anonymous>: it doesn't answer for what reason the baby goes to heaven, but we do know that babies do go to heaven at that age.
18:42 <Anonymous>: everybody that ever lives goes to the grave, we don't all end up in the same place.
18:42 <Sam>: Would you mind if I posted this conversation on that topic? I'd like to see some responses.
18:42 <Anonymous>: I believe the Bible is open-source and non copyrighted.
18:42 <Skid>: We all end up in the ground.
18:43 <Anonymous>: nope, Gene Roddenberry was cremated and sent into space.
18:43 <Skid>: Well, there is the rare exception.
18:43 <Anonymous>: so yes, @Sam, I don't care.
18:43 <Anonymous>: but one exception invalidates a universal statement.
18:43 <Anonymous>: and all universal statements are wrong.
18:43 <Sam>: Thanks =]
18:44 <Skid>: Including that one?