Anway. Hope this gives you another reason to praise our great God.
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We don't even know what to pray for without the Spirit, let alone have the ability to pray it. I think any other way of approaching prayer elevates man higher than he should be elevated in the process.Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
So how do we know His will? Through His Word. As we continue to grow and delve into the truth of the Word we begin to know more and more what His will is. The more we do, the more we know how to stand up in faith and pray without having to use the Spirit as a crutch. Nothing wrong with that, but with maturity comes responsibility, and with responsibility the ability to measure up best we can. His grace is always there.1 John 5:14-15 wrote:Now this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. And if we know that He hears us, whatever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we have asked of Him.
Yeah, sorry, but this just isn't true.Christian A. wrote:*headdesk* But the point is, we can't pray, period, without the Holy Spirit. He's the only reason we can say anything that means anything to God. So yes, I see your point, but you seem to be discounting the fact that everything we say to God originates from the Holy Spirit's work in our hearts.
That is precisely my point! It's all God! You and Jelly are both correct with your observations that prayer is not about doing anything for God, but about doing something for us. I totally agree. But this is what it all comes down to: it is God Who works in us to grow us and mature us. I can agree that it is us doing the praying, but it's only made possible by the work of the Holy Spirit. That's all I'm trying to say. Without the Holy Spirit changing us, sanctifying us, etc., we would not be able to pray.Termite wrote: I'm not perfect, never will be. All I know is I'm closer to it than I was a year ago, and understood more about prayer and how to go about it. And I don't mean that in a boastful way; it's all God. ^_^