The Town of Odyssey

In two out of the three examples of baptism you gave the actual physical act of baptism is not required. The article you linked to said "It may also apply to those who have faith in Christ, but have not been baptized because they truly and sincerely (because of false teaching received in goodwi...

I have just as much proof as you do that Jesus saying that was a form of baptism. If anything His saying it is more in line with my theology, the ultimate example of Baptism that we have from Christ Himself was completely non-physical. The thief had the ultimate insight, this man dying next to Him o...

Does John 3:6 say "Unless they were dying and couldn't receive baptism"? If not then it seems like, according to your interpretation, that Christ is contradicting Himself.

There is more to intellect than just a physical brain, animals have physical brains but they don't have intellect. So why did Jesus tell the thief he would be in paradise? The thief clearly wasn't baptized, so does that mean he didn't go to paradise? Also what about all the people in the Old Testame...

How is it physical? It is intellectual and true insight comes from our spirit not our body. Yes, Jesus referenced baptism, but what about the thief on the Cross? Was he baptized? According to you he didn't go to heaven because all he "did" was believe Christ. He wasn't baptized, he literal...

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, that is what Scripture says. As my signature says "Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death." This idea of works based salvation, i.e. living a holy life is just wrong. I am saying that what we physically do here...

If you had true insight then you are saved forever. You wouldn't go out and murder someone the next day if you did truly have true insight. If you did go out and murder someone the next day then you clearly didn't have true insight. But how else would you be saved? I mean haven't you ever prayed the...

I didn't say that. If you go out and live a life that is antithetical to Christ then you clearly didn't have true insight when you said you did. But if you did have true insight when you believed then you will never lose salvation; once saved always saved.

Are you saying Christ died for demons? You're the one who would need to provide references to prove that point.

Isn't that what I said?

A demon can't believe that Christ died for that demon's sins because Christ didn't do that. So no of course demons can't be saved. Only we humans have the insight necessary for salvation, to truly believe and understand the words of Christ. We need to move past this grace/works dichotomy that most d...

@Blitz I totally agree, only knowledge of salvation will save you. And totally agree that this physical world cannot point the way to God, how could anything physical do that?

I really like the Q&A threads you've all set up so I thought I'd set one up myself. Please ask me questions and I will do my best to answer them.

John: This is false. A man is saved when he accepts that Jesus Christ died for his sins on the cross, and rose again from the dead. I'm so glad I found someone to agree with on this thread, this man speaks the truth. You don't need to actually physically do anything to be saved, simply have saving ...

Why is everyone caught up on the physical taste? Clearly all that matters is the recipe, the muffins and cupcakes themselves are just prisons for the true knowledge of the recipe.

You aren't really a cupcake unless you have the hidden recipe.

Even Gnostics like waffles.

Yes, spiritual food, we must abstain from any physical sacraments that claim to save.

What's wrong with Gnosticism?

I don't think they will go to heaven. They need the knowledge necessary for salvation.